government of laws. >> you know, yes. but much more important, i would say just effective government. because you know, we came, i'm a product of the crises of the 80's. mexico was wiped out of the face of the earth in terms of economic terms from 82 to 88. and those were very difficult years. we went totally broke. and people had basically given up on the country immigrating. so being, coming, having gone through that, which was caused by so badly mistaken government policies in terms of public spending, they spent everything. they put on huge debt. they build massive white elephants. and so they squandered a good part of our oil riches and that's what led us to that decline. >> rose: you're in the sofa business too. >> yes. we have to compete. >> rose: with carlos slim. >> he bought the government monopoly. what they call the ppt the whole thing. they had local phone, long distance phones, mobile phones, all kinds of links. everything was monopolized by the government. and this also was put to sale by salinas. and that